David Owen and Kevin Johnson devoted a portion of the program to the recently passed public-union bill and the politics around it. Owen described the fight as likely to become emotional and said campaign messaging should separate teachers from the union leadership to avoid conflating classroom teachers with union policy decisions.

Owen characterized the Utah Education Association (UEA) as an organization that prioritizes internal interests, saying on air, “The last thing that the UEA cares about is kids. It's the last thing they care about. They care about seniority, and they care about how much they're gonna get paid, and they care about whether they can collect their dues on a direct basis.” Johnson and Owen both said firefighters' unions and other public-employee groups negotiated compromises, and that public unions differ across sectors.

The podcast also discussed polling commissioned by an allied group, which Owen said showed messaging strategies that emphasize distinctions between teachers and union leadership. Johnson noted the legislature allocated additional funds for teacher pay, saying the session “found money again this year to give a raise… $60,000,000,” a detail he offered in the conversation.

Beyond the union topic, speakers discussed a narrative they said is circulating among voters that the legislature is “power hungry.” They referenced a court decision related to a “Better Boundaries” initiative (discussed on the program as having been overturned or limited by courts in recent months) and debated the selection and accountability mechanisms for state Supreme Court justices. Johnson said he disagreed with a court ruling on boundaries and called it “ridiculous,” while Owen raised concerns about public perception and the risk of out-of-state initiative campaigns.

The podcast noted a referendum effort tied to the union bill and predicted a vigorous public campaign. The recording did not include formal legislative vote tallies for the union bill or the referendum status beyond the sponsors' plans discussed on-air.